2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: Are comments attempting to find out if other comments are useless considered useless?

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: I wouldn't think so.

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: Those types of comments seem completely relevant.

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: So is this comment considered useless?

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: What about this comment?

2011-05-22 [djxmonster]: Sammie, you are going against your own 'rules' by deleting comments you don't like... and you think you'd be good for crew? Ha

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: Maybe this one?

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: Certainly not this comment, no. This comment is totally useful.

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: This comment, maybe. I can't really tell.

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: I can still comment about members though without breaking this wiki's rules.

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: Like, for example, I could say [kians mummy] slobs knob like corn on the cob.

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: But I would never say that.

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: Because that would be really rude.

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: Besides, I don't even know if it's true that you slob knob like corn on the cob.

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: It's certainly a possibility.

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: And you haven't denied it yet.

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: So am I saying that you slob knob like corn on the cob?

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: No, I don't suppose I am.

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: But it's possible that you do.

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: That's all I'm saying.

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: Anyway, I'm gonna go get something to drink now.

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: I'm really parched, you see.

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: Parched meaning thirsty, of course.

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: Not hungry.

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: No, that's not what it means at all.

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: If you thought that it did, then you're stupid.

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: Geese.

2011-05-22 [kians mummy]: i have reported you for spamming my wiki, any future comments will provoke another report, so please leave my wiki

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: Anyway, I'm digressing.

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: Even this comment?

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: Who are you talking to anyway?

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: Is it [Chimes]?

2011-05-22 [kians mummy]: he spammed

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: Now?

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: I need answers, dang it!

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: What if it gets posted three times in a row?

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: Like this:

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: Is that spam?

2011-05-22 [Mortified Penguin]: IS IT?!

2011-05-22 [kians mummy]: remove yourself from my wiki otherwise i will report you again, you are no longer welcome on this wiki, last time i'm going to tell you [Mortified Penguin]

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: But that wouldn't be very nice.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: I don't know why you would want me to do that.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: Maybe you're just a jerk?

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: It's a possibility.

2011-05-23 [kians mummy]: i have reported you again

2011-05-23 [kians mummy]: bye

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: XD

Mort... you should spam with large pictures

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: Oh, I see random chat is no longer allowed.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: I must apologize.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: I guess I'll stop now.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: Sorry about all that.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: [djxmonster], I wouldn't do that.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: Spamming is wrong.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: And random chat isn't allowed here anymore anyway.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: So cut it out.

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: sorry

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: But, like I was saying, I'm going to stop now.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: Thank you for also stopping.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: It is greatly appreciated.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: Sorry again, [kians mummy].

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: But I'm done now.

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: me too

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: You too?

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: Yes, me too

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: Oh, alright.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: I was just making sure.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: But you misspelled "powerful" in the poll, Sammie.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: And you might want to capitalize that "are" as well.

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: Stop it! You know what your doing and you've been warned so please stop.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: Because it is at the beginning of a sentence.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: And the beginnings of sentences are usually capitalized.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: Who me?

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: I'm just helping out.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: The poll had some problems.

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: You are spamming and it's getting ridiculous. If you have something to say it can be done in one sentence.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: Those are all one sentence.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: Sentences are comprised of subjects and predicates.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: The majority of those have both.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: Granted, one or two of them are sentence fragments.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: I don't think Elftown frowns upon sentence fragments though.

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: XD

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: So it should be fine.

2011-05-23 [Paul Doyle]: Is there a difference between random chat and contrived chat? o__O

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: An interesting question (lol sentence fragment).

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: In the future, Sammie, when you make a wiki or a poll or a post or a thought, consider consulting the Elftown Proofreading Service. They should be able to help you with that disorder you seem to have.

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: I feel like I'm watching a live bing commercial.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: Hey now, cool it with the random chat, [Mystin].

2011-05-23 [Paul Doyle]: Please carry on with premeditated chat, though.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: What about postmeditated chat? Or, Sammie's specialty, unmeditated chat?

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: Listen and listen carefully. I can and will report spamming on my wiki and report your foolishness if you continue this.

2011-05-23 [Paul Doyle]: I'm premeditating having some green tea right about now.

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: This wiki is to talk about various Elftown related topics and issue. It is not about sentence structure and random chat is no longer allowed. Frankly, get lost both of you.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: Your wiki? No, no. This is [kians mummy]'s wiki. Why are you trying to steal her wiki from her? I think I should report you for that.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: What's more Elftown related than talking to members of Elftown about their wiki on Elftown?

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: I love this

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: I am just as much owner of this wiki and when [kians mummy] is not around I'm in charge. No random chat so please stop it guys. This wiki is not for that.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: But what is random chat?

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: Do you want to be reported? I'm a nice guy and don't want to but you have been trolling on here non stop with spam and I'm sick of looking at it. If you don't have anything related to Elftown to say, please leave.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: What does Elftown consider spam?

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: All the elftown - rules wiki mentions is chain messages.

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: <poll:77325>

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: On What is an asshole?, it says:

- Complete disrespect towards others
 = This means that you harass others because of some false claim, or for no reason at all.

You are claiming I'm spamming, a false claim, and threatening to report me if I don't leave. That sounds like a pretty clear case of being an asshole to me. So I think Elftown just called you an asshole. Which, as we all know, is a bannable offense.

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: *Sigh* both of you please stop watching this wiki and exit it. Please.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: Stop harassing me and trying to force me off a wiki you don't even own. Don't make me report you.

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: I <3 [Mystin]

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: I am not harassing anyone about anything, but the administrator does not want random chat. I do own this wiki, partly.

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: Why??

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: Only one person can own a wiki.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: I feel like we may be going in circles here. What is random chat?

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: Random chat is what your doing and why [kians mummy] will delete all these comments.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: Why isn't random chat what you're doing? Are you not random chatting as well?

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: And [kians mummy] will have a busy day if he/she tries that.

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]:

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: I am the co-owner, I'm not random chatting I'm trying to run this wiki while [kians mummy] is away.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: So the only thing making what you're saying not be random chat is you saying it isn't? That sounds completely logical and not stupid at all.

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: There isn't such a thing as a co-owner XD

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: I'm going to let [kians mummy] deal with you guys.

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: kthxbye

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: Cool beans.

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: This wiki nor the other one your writing on doesn't allow gif images either.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: But seriously, [Mystin]. You're being a bad Elftowner.

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: Maybe you should check out Elftowner manual. You might could learn a thing or two.

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: Just because this wiki is freely editable does not mean you can write what you want on it. I will make sure that [kians mummy] password protects it in the near future.

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: Where does it say that .gifs are banned?

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]: .gifs? You mean these things?

2011-05-23 [Mortified Penguin]:

2011-05-23 [Mystin]:
Please stop.

2011-05-23 [Alexi Ice]: LOL...>> This was too funny.

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: Since you want to play w/gifs...now seriously I'm not harassing anyone but if you don't want to be here or support this wiki, please I ask of you kindly to leave.

2011-05-23 [Akayume]: May I make a suggestion? The pink text is awfully hard to read, and hurts my eyes. :( It might be better to use an html tag to make it easier to read.

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: Your suggestion is denied, it's pink to stand out. No offense.

2011-05-23 [Akayume]: Right, but do you want it to stand out, or to be read? There are other tags to use as well. (: And honestly, I actually can't read it. :/

2011-05-23 [Alexi Ice]: That was a rude response, Mystin. Akayume is not trolling. It's actually easier to overlook when it's in the pink for me (I'm colorblind).

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: How do I know your not trolling just to upset me?

2011-05-23 [Akayume]: Because I was polite? o.o

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: Ok, fair enough. If [kians mummy] say's ok I'll change it.

2011-05-23 [Akayume]: You would think it would show up better on my stylesheet (which is grey) instead of the green stylesheet, but it actually is harder to read. :/ It's almost as if it stands out too much. D: It could also be the brightness/contrast/whatnot from my laptop. But I unno how to change that and I like it where it is. >.>"

2011-05-23 [Alexi Ice]: I just have a hard time seeing things in specific colors. It's pretty much annoyed me my whole life. Lol. I usually just ignore things in pink because I can only half-read them anyway.

2011-05-23 [Akayume]: Awww. :( I'm sorry. I'm not color blind, but I'm almost.. Actually blind. >.>" Yay?

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: I'm sorry about that. I want your experience on this wiki to be enjoyable and I will look into this. I apologize for the inconvenience.

2011-05-23 [Alexi Ice]: No problem, Mystin. ^^

That's just as bad I think, Aka ^^

2011-05-23 [Alexi Ice]: There is bad connection in hell, you know. The cell towers are always being harassed by demons

2011-05-23 [kians mummy]:
[Sagacious Turkey] no random chat is alound any longer
[Alexi Ice] and you should know better

2011-05-23 [Chimes]: Sammie, you still have a note saying that chat is allowed, just not by Mort or Turkey. Do you mean that it's definitely not allowed by anyone or just those two? Your comments don't match the note on the wiki and it may be confusing people. :)

2011-05-23 [Paul Doyle]: I will hold you to your word, [kians mummy], about deleting what chat you or may not find "random". At least two of my comments have been deleted by you, even though (according to latest, byzantine rule change), randomness IS allowed unless it's from Mort or his "Mr. Hyde" clone) At the same time I won't pull a /b/ on you. If you're going to get anywhere with a frankly skeptical and hostile crowd, you'd better exercise restraint and good judgment, and not make the rules too strict or too vague. You still won't win them over, but when all is said and done you may yet earn some measure of credibility. And remember, spellcheck is your friend! ;-)

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: NOT A RANDOM COMMENT:
<poll:77325>, just in case someone missed it...

2011-05-23 [kians mummy]: it is aloud, as long as it is not insulting to the wiki or wiki members, they are banned off of here

2011-05-23 [Paul Doyle]: . . . and <poll:77323>, whose previous link was deleted by the owner of this wiki-page :p

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: Once again, it's 'allowed' Sammie...

2011-05-23 [Flisky]: Good job on passwording this, Sammie. ^_^

2011-05-23 [kians mummy]: thanks, this was my point, you should be able to ban members from your wiki, without havving to password block it

2011-05-23 [Flisky]: Password protection on editing is something I do even with wikis I want others to comment on. The password protection for viewing is something I only do on super secret wikis (like my temp wikis where I upload my images). Most members will stay away from comments after being asked once or twice. And don't let Turkey and Mort get to you. That's just how they are.

2011-05-23 [kians mummy]: i know, i have never let them get to me, they are just going to have to put up with me, i will never leave elftown, i enjoy it here, and i have not had a problem from the crew for a long time

thank you crew

2011-05-23 [Thunder Cid]: You're welcome :D

2011-05-23 [Flisky]: I hope you don't leave. Your insight is helpful. Plus, I'm just waiting for the poem queue to shorten and the poem page to lengthen so I can put your poems in the queue and post them. (I realized that I'm typically less likely to post someones poetry if they've been gone a long time. :P)

2011-05-23 [kians mummy]: lol, i'm on here every day and i will not stop

2011-05-23 [Flisky]: ^_^

2011-05-23 [Alexi Ice]: I actually didn't look at the page I was commenting on before I did it, I simply saw an opportunity to bother Turkey and went with it...my bad...>>

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: and I just don't give a shit :)

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: So I'm going to stop feeding the trolls from now on meaning if you post something that is a waste of my time to reply to, it will simply be ignored. We are on this wiki to have a conversation about real things and that's it. Feel free to call our wiki a joke, that's your right. I don't care but you can quit wasting everyone's time with the lame insults, k thanks!

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: XD

2011-05-23 [Alexi Ice]: Dj - <3

2011-05-23 [Alexi Ice]: Also..I think it's time for this poll to be changed...it's kind of obvious who won..

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: It was not a contest, it was to get feedback.

2011-05-23 [Alexi Ice]: Lol. I know that ^^

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]:

:p

2011-05-23 [Alexi Ice]: You stole that picture from Cid!

Also; Akane's Polls

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: Indeed I did...

2011-05-23 [Flisky]: Uh...Mystin....I'm not trying to be mean, but posting that message without posting what you said before that kind of makes your argument moot in my book...It just makes you look like an attention seeker...

2011-05-23 [Chimes]: Rather than posting messages on public wiki pages, perhaps report them instead? If they bother you that much.

2011-05-23 [Flisky]: Yeah, clearly you're not of the female mind set to realize that some girls take that as a challenge, not a compliment. Now, if he was just her 'bedding buddy', then she would probably have taken it as a compliment. But among girls, when a friends shows interest, they'll take it as that friend doesn't respect certain boundaries...Just to maybe explain her flipping out a little.

2011-05-23 [Flisky]: And I agree with what Chimes said. I don't like this whole posting private messages in public. It seems a little...childish in my opinion.

2011-05-23 [Flisky]: I'm not meaning to offend or tell you what to do, Mystin. I'm just stating my opinion. If someone offends you in a private message, there is always the option of just reporting them, (like Chimes said)...Then the message would be monitored and looked at. All in all, I feel more comfortable knowing that someone isn't going through and reading all my private messages.

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: I reported it and took of off the wiki at the request of a guard. Thank you for input though.

2011-05-23 [Alexi Ice]: I am inclined to agree with Flisky and Chimes. I've seen too many people posting private messages as of late. The reason they are called private messages is because they are, well, private.

Would you like to slew through thousands of messages daily just to look for the one trouble maker? That sounds like a horribly boring job. They are monitored when you report said person. There is also a quite handy little 'block button'

2011-05-23 [Layre]: Hey Jay, not to be a jerk but doing what you isn't going to do any favors for you. You know I got your back but that was kinda low. We don't know the whole story and so we can't really say anything about the situation. Also, what's the deal with the guards, they took down an image you made me. PM me for details cause I don't get it.

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: Yeah Ian, I shouldn't have posted that. I'm sorry guys, really. I don't know why, but I can try to find out. Thank you for posting something in relation to this wiki.

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: Off topic... #3 'unseriously' is NOT A WORD

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: I'm sorry what?!

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: "The crew we expect"
3. How to take things unseriously, no matter how ridiculous they may sound

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: *fixed* Thanks! *hugs [djxmonster]*

2011-05-23 [Paul Doyle]: Zaire, aren't you now the Democratic Republic of the Congo? o_O

2011-05-23 [Alexi Ice]: 'Unseriously' kind of makes me think of the term 'take it in stride'

2011-05-23 [Mystin]:

I DID NOT WRITE THAT. SOME TWIT CAME ON OUR WIKI AND SHOULD BE HAPPY I DIDN'T REPORT HIM OR HER FOR CHANGING THE WIKI BECAUSE IT IS BREAKING THE ELFTOWN RULES. LET ME SAY THIS FOR THE FINAL TIME: IF YOU THINK THIS WIKI IS A JOKE PLEASE LEAVE & DO NOT COME BACK UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING WORTH WHILE TO CONTRIBUTE. PERIOD.

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: I'm not yelling, I'm making a point.

2011-05-23 [Paul Doyle]: . . . and here I am, still thinking random chat was allowed provided it doesn't break basic ET rules? I was just trying to make conversation with [Layre] who, historically, was originally tribal lands before becoming the Belgian Congo in the late 1800s. If you don't believe me, look it up. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zaire

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: By the way, editing others wikis (providing you're not destroying them) isn't against the rules XD

2011-05-23 [Mystin]: Ok fair enough

2011-05-23 [Chimes]: Mystin, Zaire, if you'd like to know why the image was taken down, feel free to drop me a message and I will explain. :)

2011-05-23 [djxmonster]: Why am I banned?

2011-05-23 [Paul Doyle]: [djxmonster]'s question deserves to be answered. After nearly eight years on this website, I think I know ET rulebreaking when I see it. DJ cooled off and his criticism is not meant to be personal attacks. Please clarify, and check ET rules.

2011-05-24 [Sideways]: Actually djx, editing others wikis in a malicious manner could easily be construed as harrassment, wiki destruction AND being an asshole, so yeah, unless you have some sort of an ace in the hole you could, and in my opinion SHOULD be banned.

2011-05-24 [Mortified Penguin]: What if the editor in question was only fixing the wiki in a manner that he or she thought suited the wiki's theme? The theme, in this case, being complete idiocy.

2011-05-24 [Sideways]: I know exactly what I'm talking about. I do not agree with Crew Manuals agenda but I agree with their right to protest. I also understand why they are saying things you don't like. I don't have to know what was said, I have a pretty good idea why it was said. So what if these guys are completely wrong? I've seen how the lot of you who disagree with Crew Manual acting very rude towards them. So before anyone discusses any rules why don't you all think about the "Dont be an asshole" rule. K?

2011-05-24 [Sideways]: And before the hypocrite cat calls start, none of you have anymore room to talk than I do. You all responded in kind to me and two wrongs don't make a right. I apoligized for my transgressions. One other person involved can say the same and she is not present.

2011-05-24 [Sideways]: So long as they know the context. I said I didn't know what your problem was, but what you did say about me wasn't your business and what I thought you were saying about me I had no reason to believe you meant for someone else. I may have been very rude to some people lately but they weren't my supposed best friends. So yeah, back on you.

2011-05-24 [Mortified Penguin]: Let's say, hypothetically, this alleged editor did, in fact, change some things. What if he or she only corrected what he or she perceived as spelling errors on the part of the wiki owner? I suggest that this hypothetical person in question should be hailed as a hero and given fine chocolates and concubines, rather than looked down upon as the alleged wiki destroyer you seem to imply that he or she may be.

2011-05-24 [Paul Doyle]: Personally, I wish you people would either relocate to Elfpack (which is probably much more to your liking) or make your own website . . . but since I am not staff, I just wish you guys would come up with an endgame, and resolve this stuff ASAP. Otherwise, prepare to be ignored, laughed at and never taken seriously again. Not to mention that whole "drama llama" label which can be completely ignored in real life but not here on ET. Trust me on this one---it took me a few years to get past that "drama llama troublemaker" stigma. So it's all pretty much up to you guys now, regarding where you're going with this stuff. The general consensus is this page is a joke and those running it are light-headed drama llamas. Will you convince us otherwise? You have a very large uphill battle to climb, it would seem. Though I haven't been on Elfpack in several years now, it seems that community is better suited to those of you who have basic problems following (or understanding?) ET's rules and regulations. Perhaps EP is a better option?

2011-05-24 [Paul Doyle]: And I repeat: "21:21:11 (7h ago)[Paul Doyle]: [djxmonster]'s question deserves to be answered. After nearly eight years on this website, I think I know ET rulebreaking when I see it. DJ cooled off and his criticism is not meant to be personal attacks. Please clarify, and check ET rules." Thank you.

2011-05-24 [Mystin]: Three Things:

1)[Sideways] your awesome
2)[djxmonster] was banned for his ridiculous poll
3)I wasn't yelling, I was simply making a point